Comments on: come out, come out, where ever you are. http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/ sweet threads that hold it all together Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:44:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Christie http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2615 Christie Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:41:01 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2615 I love this post and I love and agree with everything you are saying. Here's to the impending Day of Acceptance! I love this post and I love and agree with everything you are saying. Here’s to the impending Day of Acceptance!

]]> By: Geogrrl http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2614 Geogrrl Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:58:08 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2614 Sometimes people just suck, don't they? I've never really understood people that go out of their way to bother/harass someone who isn't like them. I just don't. I was an average kid, white, Catholic, but was considered "weird" because I was bookish and my family was poor. I got my share of crap at a young age. It didn't help that I started developing a female figure at 10 and was being called "fat", but that's another issue. I may not happily accept everything about every culture and would do my best to stop it (i.e., female circumcision) for the most part if the person isn't interfering with or hurting me or anyone else and whatever is going on is going on between consenting, informed adults, I don't see what the problem is. There's just something in humanity that tends to say "If you're not like me, you're an enemy" or something like that. Goes back to our tribal roots, I suppose. Sometimes people just suck, don’t they?

I’ve never really understood people that go out of their way to bother/harass someone who isn’t like them. I just don’t. I was an average kid, white, Catholic, but was considered “weird” because I was bookish and my family was poor. I got my share of crap at a young age. It didn’t help that I started developing a female figure at 10 and was being called “fat”, but that’s another issue.

I may not happily accept everything about every culture and would do my best to stop it (i.e., female circumcision) for the most part if the person isn’t interfering with or hurting me or anyone else and whatever is going on is going on between consenting, informed adults, I don’t see what the problem is.

There’s just something in humanity that tends to say “If you’re not like me, you’re an enemy” or something like that. Goes back to our tribal roots, I suppose.

]]> By: Wendy http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2613 Wendy Sun, 31 May 2009 01:12:01 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2613 What I'm trying to teach my kids is to celebrate their uniqueness, and I mean uniqueness of identification if that's their thing, too. Love is love and what makes us human, if we can give and receive. Here's to love! What I’m trying to teach my kids is to celebrate their uniqueness, and I mean uniqueness of identification if that’s their thing, too.

Love is love and what makes us human, if we can give and receive.

Here’s to love!

]]> By: eightfoldrabbit http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2611 eightfoldrabbit Sat, 30 May 2009 13:43:14 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2611 Oh, the following is mutual! :-D Oh, the following is mutual! :-D

]]> By: eightfoldrabbit http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2610 eightfoldrabbit Sat, 30 May 2009 13:38:42 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2610 I'm beginning to realize that there are a lot of us in that little wedge of "Other" that isn't such a little wedge. But we're still not a very visible or vocal part of the community and I wonder why - perhaps because we haven't felt included in it? I don't know. I have, in other forums, heard this "I don't feel included either." from a LOT of my friends who identify as heteroflexible, queer, bisexual, poly, even trans in some cases and it makes me a little sad. Ok and on a total irrelevant aside? I hate the "bisexual flag" and that we have to have our own float or booth at Pride. Why can't we share the rainbow (not in the Skittles sense), why just give us three lousy colors? Why can't we be on the big float? Do we have to differentiate that much? I suppose it is because we want to be a visible segment within the community, but I am unaware specifically of a separage trans flag or a lesbian flag or a gay flag, those all seem included under one flag of many colors. And then there's us. It makes me feel kind of like singled out and forced to identify myself within the community as "other" in a bad way, a little. I hope one day when larger more important battles are won that the community will look at the issue of being more inclusive and accepting to EVERYONE in the rainbow. I’m beginning to realize that there are a lot of us in that little wedge of “Other” that isn’t such a little wedge. But we’re still not a very visible or vocal part of the community and I wonder why – perhaps because we haven’t felt included in it? I don’t know. I have, in other forums, heard this “I don’t feel included either.” from a LOT of my friends who identify as heteroflexible, queer, bisexual, poly, even trans in some cases and it makes me a little sad.

Ok and on a total irrelevant aside? I hate the “bisexual flag” and that we have to have our own float or booth at Pride. Why can’t we share the rainbow (not in the Skittles sense), why just give us three lousy colors? Why can’t we be on the big float? Do we have to differentiate that much? I suppose it is because we want to be a visible segment within the community, but I am unaware specifically of a separage trans flag or a lesbian flag or a gay flag, those all seem included under one flag of many colors. And then there’s us. It makes me feel kind of like singled out and forced to identify myself within the community as “other” in a bad way, a little.

I hope one day when larger more important battles are won that the community will look at the issue of being more inclusive and accepting to EVERYONE in the rainbow.

]]> By: Phoe http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2608 Phoe Sat, 30 May 2009 11:19:10 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2608 I think the GLBT community is a microcosm of the human community. If you're one or the other (and quite firmly so) you belong. But the misfits and flexible people who float around may not belong without stretching truth or plain out lies. I grew up in a huge urban area as the *only* mixed race Indian person around (at the time). I couldn't fit in anywhere and everyone decided at one point or another that their prejudice was justified because I wasn't white/Indian/black/Mexican enough to belong. Which is how I fit into the GLBT community as well. No neat little boxes for protection and solidarity here! It saddens me that as a society California is still so afraid of accepting that love is love. We should fight for and protect love, not try to destroy it. Also? I have a t-shirt with that title on it. :) I think the GLBT community is a microcosm of the human community. If you’re one or the other (and quite firmly so) you belong. But the misfits and flexible people who float around may not belong without stretching truth or plain out lies. I grew up in a huge urban area as the *only* mixed race Indian person around (at the time). I couldn’t fit in anywhere and everyone decided at one point or another that their prejudice was justified because I wasn’t white/Indian/black/Mexican enough to belong. Which is how I fit into the GLBT community as well. No neat little boxes for protection and solidarity here!

It saddens me that as a society California is still so afraid of accepting that love is love. We should fight for and protect love, not try to destroy it.

Also? I have a t-shirt with that title on it. :)

]]> By: Mouse http://honeyandollie.com/2009/05/30/come-out-come-out-where-ever-you-are-2/#comment-2606 Mouse Sat, 30 May 2009 02:57:05 +0000 http://eightfoldrabbit.wordpress.com/?p=1153#comment-2606 Well said. Also, how the hell did I not realize you were on Twitter? I am now "following" you. Well said. Also, how the hell did I not realize you were on Twitter? I am now “following” you.

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